David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. Troutman Funeral Home is assisting the Bagby family. But of course I didn't. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. They told us that they'd found the body. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? 2015 - 20153 . You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. get in there, if that's what she demanded. He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. Amazon | B&N Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. Its not the sort of true crime that leaves you wanting more. How the fuck do you live like that? So he came straight for me. 1 Photo. They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Subscribe here. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. David bagby, left, and kate bagby, right, celebrate with their son andrew bagby at his graduation from medical school at memorial university of newfoundland in june 2000. contributed by david and kate bagby. I dont understand how that can be ignored.. CORNER BROOK, N.L. We did have him for a little while, she said. Except this story is worse. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. Office Manager. At least he might have asleep when she went in. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. And I said, `Who?' A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? You take it with you, but you move on, said David. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. She was deranged. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. Its heartbreaking, said Kate, who recalls last seeing Zachary the evening before he was killed. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. You know? Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Shirley Turner had some startling news. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. And we came back. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. Its good to see him again, hear his voice, he said of the images of Andrew. In that time, it also becomes clear that Andrews fate is in danger of also becoming his sons. June 2, 2015 - June 2020. I had a husband I loved. Dear Zachary is now available on DVD! in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. Oh my god. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss: Are you having a good day with grandmom and. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. IE 11 is not supported. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. Blu-ray: Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. Bagby came from Sunnyvale, California, and was the son of Kathleen Daphne Bagby ( ne Barnard), a registered nurse and midwife from Chatham, England, United Kingdom; and David Franklin Bagby, an American former United States Navy serviceman and computer engineer. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Right? A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. August 5, 2008: But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. We're churning. HOUSE OF COMMONS UNANIMOUSLY PASSES BILL C-464. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. Because she didnt know love either. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition DigiPak: Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. They held their breath. Ad Choices. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." See rank. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. If. They are simply good people. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). -. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. -. How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. He was such a good baby. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. -, "It's Kate and David Bagby who are the moral center of this film. I had a job I loved. Former Assistant Pastor at Jackson Community Church. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." Go away.'. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. Cpl. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. Cpl. . I mean, the best man is really the groom. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. The tragedy here is that even if you do see it coming, that still doesnt mean you can stop it. View Source Suggest Edits Memorial Photos Flowers Maintained by: Tracy Lane MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. Please check back for updates as the bill makes its way through the Senate in the coming weeks -- and if you are a Canadian Citizen, please write your Senator to voice your support of C-464 during this crucial time. We thought of him as a hostage, said David. But something kept me going, and. "One of the best documentaries I have ever seen in my entire life a film that will rock you to your core. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. SCREAMS. COLLECTOR'S EDITION DIGIPAK only from Oscilloscope Laboratories: Every last person who steps foot into a theater to see this will walk away changed. December 4, 2008: It was for custody of their grandchild who looked exactly like his father that they moved to the city of their sons killer. His father says, I kissed him and held him. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. We need each other, have each other to get through this.". (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. It's great. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as . If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. did. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. In the end, she died, but love did not. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. You will cry. Right, right. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. And I saw that night her malignancy. Then, upon. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Mommy loves you. Meeting her at 6. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. In mid-December, the Bagbys talked to The Western Star about the rerelease of the documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, by Kurt Kuenne. I can understand that. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. They are selfless. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. We. Keith Morrison reports. He was like, `Eh, mm.' "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. They began a drawn-out court battle to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. You can, just--there's nothing. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. Wait, thats not true, Sophocles came up with it when he wrote Oedipus Rex about a king who unwittingly fulfills a prophecy that foretold he would kill his father and marry his mother, and then pokes out his own eyes because hes in despair and you cant outrun destiny. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. Not too long ago? The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. I mean, she. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. A judge called Andrews murder a vicious crime, but did not consider Turner a risk to others. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. Cpl. He said, `What do you mean?' Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. They've retired, hang out with friends and travel a bit, David Bagby said. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Dance with the Devil is David Bagby's . We urge everyone to write your MP (if Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if not) urging them to support MP Andrews and his bill as it moves toward a vote in the near future. She was coming here to take care of me. Kurt Kuenne's acclaimed orchestral score for "Dear Zachary", nominated for Best Documentary Score of 2008 by the International Film Music Critics Association, is now available on CD and for digital download. (A huge thanks to the folks at Different by Design in Los Angeles, CA and Anarchy Post in Glendale, CA for making this possible and affordable.). to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. January 28, 2008: A huge chunk of the remainder of Dear Zachary is the Canadian justice system treating the Bagbys like common criminals while the actual criminal is given a breathtaking amount of freedom. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. I said, `This woman was in town. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. In New York - August 8-14 at the IFC Center, 323 Sixth Avenue at W. 3rd Street. His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. But you will come away believing in people. It's great. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Oh, my. Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. Even during his stilted summaries of events, you can sometimes hear Kuenne choking up. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . MORRISON: What do you do about this? Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. DVD: Amazon | B&N Did. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. They are warm. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. Dear Zachary will have its World Premiere at the Slamdance Film Festival, January 17-25, 2008 in Park City, Utah! This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Gruesome details, abstruse discoveries, and personal secrets are examined with a seemingly cold and impartial eye in the light of the promise that, if seen rightly, they can yield up a picture of the truth. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Awaiting extradition, Turner drowned 13-month-old Zachary and took her own life as well. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. It was made to tell a story and to capture forever the life of one man and the many people he touched. We need each other, have each other to get through this, added David.